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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Pigpen fans unite

Another thread has shown some support for Pigpen's vocal abilities which are completely lost on me,so I was wondering if some links could be put up highlighting some of his better vocal performances,not great performances of a song he is singing on,but something he actually sings well.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I'm not sure you'll find anything you'd like, if you don't like his singing. It's like if I was trying to find a "good" Brent Mydland vocal....doubt I could ever get through much of that horrid howling!

Personally I don't mind Pigpen's singing - but Weir, on the other hand... He couldn't sing, at all. Never could.

Any reader of this forum can tell how much we love this band!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I'm hopeful there is a nugget out there just waiting to shut me up.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 9, 2013 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

Try the Good Lovin' medly, Copenhagen 4-14-72. To me, it is pure bliss. Pig gets to ad lib in a very unique (for him) way that actually adds musically. The band is on fire, going in and out of this and that, full on, each man having his say, even Kreutzman bopping away solo (not a DRUM SOLO--a subtle minute) all being led by and leading Pig. It's pretty compelling.

But, if you don't like him on this, that's okay.

Just keep eyes in the back of your head you motherf---just kidding. It should all just be enjoyed as each to each.

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Poster: GerryO Date: Apr 9, 2013 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen Fans Unite

My 1970-06-04, Thursday night at the Fillmore West tape.

http://archive.org/details/gd1970-06-04.123798.gdnrps.sonyTC124.olsen.droncit.flat.flac16

- Hard to Handle (very DIRECT and oh so sweet)
- It's a Man's World (it NEVER lets up!)
- Good Lovin' (HOT jam after drums)
- Midnight Hour (following St. Stephen>Not Fade Away)

All VERY STRONG vocal performances and not a wasted note or flub in any one of them, plus many nice keyboard touches and some harp (It's a Sin), and BETTER sounding than MANY SBDs.

http://www.deadlistening.com/2013/03/1970-june-4-fillmore-west.html

I also have my own transfers, with meticulously patched glitches, that sound fuller and more like the original tapes.



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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Apr 11, 2013 3:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I can relate to your viewpoint of Pigpen jerlouvis.

It's very hit and miss regarding his vocal performances.

His keyboard skills were very basic. To the point that Merle Saunders was brought in to put Hammond overdubs on Skull and Roses.
The comparison with Leon Russell is risible. Leon Russell was an in demand session player in the 1970's, Pigpen wasn't.

Pigpen could certainly blow a mean gob iron though.

Try these though, they are some of my Pigpen favourites from 1971:

'Mr. Charlie' and 'Big Boss Man' from 1971/08/14 -

http://archive.org/details/gd71-08-14.sbd.ladner.21268.sbeok.shnf


'It Hurts Me Too' from 1971/04/29

http://archive.org/details/gd1971-04-29.sbd.multitracks.miller.114350.flac16

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Apr 9, 2013 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

http://archive.org/details/gd69-12-12.sbd.gerland.10988.sbeok.shnf

Pig's vocals on this Alligator and Caution are great.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

http://archive.org/post/148538/pigs-b-day-today
Totally agree there LS.

Lest we forget, bd, E72 started last Sunday, 41 years ago. And 'some Easy Winds out there that I really like'
sounds like me sniffing my farts...
But enough nostalgia.
Science bless us all! and of course, we need more cowbell.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

Off the top of my head (opposed to the side)

Easy Wind from 60-24-70 and Workingmans
Operator from AB
Katie Mae from Bear's Choice
It's a Man's World from Harpur
H2H from the Palladium

But you have listened to the above a few times I think. Maybe Pigs not your groove.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I am always open to giving things another listen and seeing what I very well could have missed and will take a run at most everything people were nice enough to suggest.The studio stuff doesn't count for me,it should be good if your'e in a studio.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2013 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I never heard a Smokestack Lightning I didn't love--or It's a Man's World. But the band always played to his strengths in these tunes. Sure, the version from Harpur has a major flub in it, but listen to how Pig made Jerry wail on an all too brief solo. But any Smokestack. Isn't there a "new" one on the new "Dave's Picks"?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 9, 2013 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

>it should be good if you're in a studio

If only that was the case!

Pigs more a feeling/vibe/groove (that I like a bunch) then a virtuoso musician to me.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 9, 2013 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

LOL!

I think that's a good way of putting it. And really, that's always the case with musical taste; very few people are really attracted to a musician or a band because of sheer virtuosity. Ultimately art is about communicating a certain tone or feeling or mood or "vision" (conscious or not), and the quality of a person's voice, the choices they make, their "vibe/groove," etc is what makes that happen. Virtuoso ability can enable someone to do that -- Jerry being the obvious case in point -- but it's not the whole shebang. Undoubtedly there are guitarists more virtuoso than Jerry (certainly some people argue that), but they don't have that feeling/vibe/groove.

But if you don't like a vibe, then it doesn't matter much if the person is a virtuoso or not. Most of what Picasso did just leaves me cold. It doesn't speak to me. He's certainly a virtuoso, but not my thing.

I like Pig as a spice in the GD mix. Or maybe the oil in the dish -- not particularly sophisticated or gourmet, and too much is too much, and you could make lots of arguments about why oil isn't All That. Still, it's great stuff in the right proportions, though I wouldn't be inclined to swig straight Pig.


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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Apr 10, 2013 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I know several "virtuoso" musicians and they all had a similar quality about them - They HATED the Grateful Dead. Not just the music, but the whole concept, as it flew in the face on conventional wisdom in regard to music - THANK GOD!

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Poster: BVD Date: Apr 10, 2013 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I didn't get the chance to see Pig until late in the game. Saw him at the Felt Forum shows and The Academy of Music(saw three or four shows from that run) What really stands out for me is when he sang Big Boss Man and Next Time You See Me. I missed the Lovelights and the raps. The line in Next Time You See Me "Ya know you lied, cheated and then the audience in unison Wa Oh! for so long." was great.He really did have the audience in the palm of his hand. I remember turning to my friend and asked who this guy was, she said Pigpen. I said "He's fuckin' too much"! She agreed and told me you should have seen him a couple of years ago.Yes I should have.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 10, 2013 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

That's a neat memory, and you didn't even see his showstoppers!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 10, 2013 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

Great stuff, BVD...

And, BINGO!!! Double dumb ass that I am: Big Boss Man!

That is another of his 'greats'.

Crap. I can't believe I didn't mention that one earlier...

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 11, 2013 5:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

Ay: there's "The Rub."

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

http://archive.org/details/gd70-04-15.sbd.kaplan.14354.sbeok.shnf Man’s World

http://archive.org/details/gd1971-04-04.sbd.GEMS.35252.flac16. Easy Wind, H2H

http://archive.org/details/gd1971-08-06.aud.kaslow.smith.94261.flac16 Mr. Charlie

2/19/71 Smokestack – Three from the Vault

http://archive.org/details/gd70-05-14.sbd.cotsman.12439.sbeok.shnf Schoolgirl

http://archive.org/details/gd68-01-22.sbd.weiner.8583.sbeok.shnf Alligator opener



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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2013 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

That's the Mr Charlie I was chatting up w Elb...

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 9, 2013 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

Oh yea man...The Aud never gets old. One great freakin' show.

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

your initial post concerned me, leaving me wondering if you had a broader listening experience to Pig. As you see there are a lot of fine examples of his craft-work. He was unique and a gentle bear who poured his soul out , just like Janis. Thanx to the Archive replies to justify Pigs abilities.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I have listened to most likely 95% of what he sang with the band between 1968 through 6/17/72 so I have a very broad listening experience.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Apr 10, 2013 5:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I think Pig and Janis are a perfect comparison in that both are highly over rated as singers. Perhaps they were great performers...i.e...you had to be there, to get it. But, having not been there, I just don't get the hype.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2013 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CALLING GoP!!!

JL--GoP, our resident Pig Fanatic, is the man for this job. I will not attempt to speak for him, and with luck he'll see this shortly.

Personally, my all time fav's for Pig are the albums...love OPERATOR, just love it. And, I like EWind...

I defn know what you mean though on things like Alligator where he'll suddenly squeak or crack...even in this "nonblues" context; yikes...

I do think that he does a good job on the LL from 9-19-70, and he and Bob do an okay pair-scream-fest (but not too long); just skip the rap.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CALLING GoP!!!

if occasional vocal squeaking and cracking are deal breakers then a person is likely listening to the wrong band.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CALLING GoP!!!

Ha--good point!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CALLING GoP!!!

WT,I don't think GOP will see wasting his time on the likes of me as time well spent.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2013 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CALLING GoP!!!

Oh, well--he could cite a prior thread or two perhaps? All I know is he sent me 10 disks (!!!) of Pig's best material, and it was impressive, though it was not "vocals" (as LiA notes) that necessarily defined "best" for him (as you note, often they--Pig songs--provide a vehicle for jams, like H2H, and LL, etc).

Anyhoo, seems like some folks here provide a few tunes for you to consider; as mentioned, though, he was NOT making it, duh, on his singing, and yet, like LiA, I prefer him to any Bob efforts post 72 or so (seriously, I really agree w LiA on that pt about Bob).

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 9, 2013 6:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What the fuck you want, Tell?

jerlouvis. Actually, I can understand your perspective. Pig was no Sinatra--or whomever one might choose as a great crooner. What he had was a style that worked well in the band at that period. Sure, he could be off key, muff the words, be misogynistic, long winded, obscene, and he wouldn't have fit in to the post '72 style. Point taken.

Rather, I would say that he needed to be seen as well as heard. Hell, if all I knew of this band were tapes, I wouldn't be all that impressed--they could all be sloppy. And there's different tastes.

But in the beginning, he was as authentic as any white blues singer. He held an audience--as well as Garcia. He pushed the band--I listen to Lovelights for the jams. And H2H--Tell and I (in particular) like to yank each others' dicks over the "best" one--but what we debate is the music he touched off. Smokestack Lightning--now there he moaned fantastically and got the boys to cry with him.

But again, I'm sorry if you did not get the chance to see him. It does make a difference. And, also again, I'm sorry if you missed those times when everyone was just having fun. Remember--it started with the acid tests.

Pig was just part of the Dead--but he was an integral part to the SHOW. Remember--he gets one song each on the first l.p, none on AOXOMOXOA, one each on Workingman's and Beauty, Skullfuck, and E 72. The band didn't see him as the studio crooner. He was a live show--there's that word again.
When it was Pig time, things kicked up a few notches. And those "boring" Lovelights were often the highlight of the SHOW.

But I (gasp) don't disagree. I like the other stuff better--musically. And with Pig, I settle into the playing. But in that era between 1966 and 1972, there was no one who could touch him for what he did.

In the end, it's a matter of taste--what era you liked, what song styles you liked, sound, keyboardist, etc. Me, I grew up on the Pig days. I feel blessed.

If you can try to respect my likes and dislikes, I can certainly respect yours.

Otherwise, anything post 1972 is dogshit. (Truth is, love this and that from then and there. Crazy Fingers, Althea--beautiful stuff).

And Tell--4/29 you old motherfucker.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2013 7:13pm
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Ha--right back at ya, old man!

;)

And, as I always blather on about, my two older bros defn agreed w you--the DEAD were his band in those early yrs when they saw them regularly (66-68), even if they never did fall under the spell as I did a few yrs later...

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 9, 2013 7:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

Well, they freely asserted that it was his idea to go electric. You saw him though, right?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 10, 2013 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

No, B; not really--my first real show was 74. Yikes--two yrs post-expiration! Well, your date anyhoo.

Was in the car, in GGPk when the parents dropped the (again) elder brothers off to see them, and they explained the sounds were being generated by the DEAD, but that doesn't really count, eh? I know my parents were in NO way comforted by the name of the band as their HS/coll age kids wandered into the mass of humanity; but I was only 10 (67 or so).

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2013 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

It counts as you have memories of the sights and smells if not the sounds.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 9, 2013 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

Lots of good points -- one thing that strikes me is that since "it started with the acid tests," to say the SHOW and "showman" might be accurate but also not quite the perfect words, and those of us who didn't see him might misinterpret it a bit. It can give the impression of a pre-packaged feeling, like Madonna or Michael Jackson or Gaga or something, which is the opposite of the Dead vibe. (I'm sure there were hundreds of equivalents in the 60s of people who aimed to have SHOWs.)

But from what I can tell from what you've said (and others who saw him), he was a "showman" not in a packaged sense but in an "experience" sense. I'm guessing the feeling was a bit edgy and anything-can-happen and raunchy fun, bringing the barroom onto the stage. He was a raw, upfront character who'd suddenly come to the fore and carry the whole place on a wild roll that was very different than the psychedelic weirdness.

Clearly a lot of those who saw him never forgot it.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2013 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

Shaman, then.

Look: here's the problem, as it were. The dead were always an experience, and the live shows were meant to be seen and felt and heard. 3-D. They never thought that so many people would be collecting these tapes 40-50 years later.

As a traveling band, and one that kept growing night after night, they played similar shows from '76 onward--the suites, new introductions, etc. There was no thought that the audience was the same every night. So if Pig closed with Lovelight, it was a treat because you might not see them again for a year or more. Even in NYC, where I saw thirty shows between '67-72--they might come once or twice a year--though for several nights at a time--and then, the shows didn't always vary that much. The Felt Forum run was meant to introduce new songs, the Academy run duplicates a lot--which is all good and fine.

But you have ten zillion tapes available, and that can be like having ten zillion vanilla ice cream cones. And it sucks if you don't like vanilla.

The point is this: yes, we've all heard too many Pig raps. But back then you wouldn't. Second, you would be THERE--seeing in 3-D--the vibe, the audience, the jams, the way Pig looked and carried on--yes, Althea, a show. And damn if that wasn't what we wanted.

Pig the misogynist--vulgar. Oh come on. Groupie Bob. Jerry dumping girlfriends by proxy. They all treated people like shit. Pig, though, perhaps ironically, least of all. He didn't fight like Kreutzman or the crew.

I think there's a misconception about hippies and hippie bands. That myth is just that--a myth. Most so-called hippies were self-concerned assholes who were out for a good time. Sex, drugs, and rock and roll. The Dead were not about peace and love and women's lib. Far from it. I remember the Hell's Angel's benefit with Bo Diddly at the Academy in '72. The Manhattan Angels were horrors--they hated hippies. When I saw all the bikes lined up in from of the theater, I thought about leaving. As Hendrix once said, "Peace and love and all that other bullshit."

This groovy love band thing is simply not true. They were a great eclectic morphing outfit who were concerned about the music, and they were concerned about the show. Pig Pen would not have fit in after '72, but before that, he was the boiler room that fired up the train. When he took the mike, the room changed. You just can't capture that on tape.
It's like being at the Super Bowl and watching the Super Bowl. You're getting only about 20% of the show. Mind you, 20% of the Dead is a lot. But how many of you write that your favorite shows were the ones that you attended? Or the tape doesn't do it justice? The whole was more than notes on a guitar. Why do we hope that someday film will emerge?

I guess you had to be there (God, what an experience). And you still might not have liked Pig or whomever--which is fine. But you'd know the whole and not just part. And that whole was mighty fine in these eyes.

Don't get me wrong. Seeing the band after '72 had similar effects--different band, different show. But the scene, the people, the parking lot, all that stuff plus the show--still valid, just different. I didn't care for the crowds or the sound post '76--but sometimes I stream a suggested show (I know whom I trust on these matters!), and I like this and that. I love certain songs--Crazy Finger, Althea, Mission in the Rain come to mind. I still love the fact that we are lucky to HAVE tapes.

But I love that McKernan fellow best of all.


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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 9, 2013 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

A lot of people who saw the Dead in the '60s asserted that Pigpen was the true star of the show. I think that element of showmanship is part of it - the rest of the band could jam all night, & maybe some of that would fly over people's heads, but then Pigpen would come up & strut & engage the audience on a more primal level.
It's more than evident to me that the true vibe of Pigpen only came from seeing him; just hearing him on tape, we're getting only part of the package. What's on tape doesn't entirely explain those ecstatic Fillmore audiences clapping along & cheering him.

But the other thing is the music - we're talking about Pigpen the singer, but really all he had to do was deliver some competent vocals & then step out of the way. Without Midnight Hour, Lovelight, Same Thing, or Caution, let alone many of the blues covers like Smokestack or Schoolgirl, the early Dead would have been a much narrower outfit - not to mention pieces they expanded in '70-71 like Good Lovin', Hard to Handle or Easy Wind. A lot of great Dead music wouldn't have been played without him, which I think is a more important testament than how well he could sing or copy the classic blues vocals.

To digress a bit, Ghostofpig favors the 4/14/72 Good Lovin', and Europe '72 has some great examples but my own favorite is 4/25/71 (on the Ladies & Gentlemen CD) which also has a perfect marriage of rap & music, if you don't mind the story content. Interestingly, the Good Lovin' the next night (4/26/71) is without any rap & takes a different, more pounding approach.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

I really do have a full understanding of the range of Pigpen's talents short of having seen him perform which may very well be to my detriment.I'm not expecting Sinatra,but consistently being off key,out of time and muffing the words are not sought after qualities in a singer.Since all I have is a taped legacy I generally find his vocal performances lacking,that's not to say I don't enjoy many of the songs he sang on.I have absolutely no qualms with a long,raunchy Lovelight rife with obscenity,I draw the line when he get's misogynistic.

While I can't say I have a lot of respect for what he represented or his skill set I certainly respect anyone's right to like or dislike whatever they chose.

I was kidding with WT and really hoped you wouldn't feel compelled to join in this,but I appreciate that you would take some time to weigh in with some words of wisdom.



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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Apr 10, 2013 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What the fuck you want, Tell?

One quick comment: he owned us so much that we didn't notice his flaws--or rather, we LIKED them! Maybe that doesn't speak highly of us. I dunno. But it does speak to his presence.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Apr 9, 2013 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

http://archive.org/details/gd1971-04-29.sbd.multitracks.miller.114350.flac16

some may point to shows with endless Lovelight or Schoolgirl raps, but for me, this is as good as it gets, I don't really listen to a lot of pre 69,but in this show you get Hurts Me Too, the best H2H, Alligator, a nice sloppy Midnight Hour...im not sure if Pigpen sings on the group singing songs like UJB or Bid You Goodnight, in the end, what Pigpen brought to the table was not a crooners voice, he was dirty sloppy blues all the way...

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I always find him to be flat at points or off time (maybe due to the band clanking it up sometimes), and it's not stand out bad on the Hurt's Me Too,but he certainly ain't sharp and with the H2H it always the band ripping it up,I consider him not ruining it a good job on his part.I'm not some vocal snob,I love the way Jerry can sing a song and think Dylan is a great singer,I'm not trying to be a judgmental douche bag.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 9, 2013 10:25am
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There are some Easy Winds out there that I really like (I'm hopeless with dates) and I do like Two Souls In Communion from one of the latest Europe 72 box (but I'm sure I'm in the minority there).

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Apr 9, 2013 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

What were they thinking?

You're in the minority.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

You pointed out two I had forgotten to mention that I enjoy Bd,Two Souls might well be my favorite although the versions I've heard are very shaky in the vocal department,but the man was in very poor health at the point.I liked a bunch of Easy Wind's,but can't recall any where the vocal stands out,not that there aren't any.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 9, 2013 2:08pm
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I think Two Souls was easily his best original song and pretty much any of the E72 performances of the song are excellent.

As for the question, i'm not fond of his work on Lovelight or Good Lovin' because i find the raps have not stood the test of time (who the hell uses the term pocket pool any more?) However i always enjoyed his work on the blues standards like Next Time You See Me, King Bee, The Same Thing etc.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2013 2:14pm
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Oh yeah--Mr Charlie from 8-6-71; the SBD or the AUD...

Hey there...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 9, 2013 8:32pm
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I really like Two Souls. Seems from the comments like you're not in the minority at all ...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I love Two Souls!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

This is what I was thinking of ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMXjaV8Xbo4

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

What the fuck are you talking about?

"Another thread has shown some support for Pigpen's vocal abilities"?

It was me, moron. I said Pigpen and Leon Russell were similar in some ways and that completely blew your Toupee back.

What you then said was:

“Pigpen was a half-assed wannabe bluesman who had a weak voice and you never ever heard him get through a vocal without some sort of screw up,voice crack,or timing issue".


It's a little different man....At least put it in the proper context so people can see wtf you said and why you are saying this.


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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

I don't think it would be a gigantic leap to say that strat,WT and LIA who all posted in that thread would say they enjoyed some Pigpen vocals and I didn't want to seem like I was singling you out.

You didn't simply say there were some similarities between Pigpen and Leon,here is exactly what you said."Leon Russell made an entire career doing essentially the same style as Pig.More r&b but full of raps.

My reply verbatim was,"It seems to me Leon Russell made a career of writing standards like A Song for You,This Masquerade,Superstar,I Put a Spell on You and that's not even getting into the bulk of his rock,r&b,blues and country repertoire.He is also a very talented musician on keyboards,bass and guitar and has played on countless studio sessions".Obviously to reduce Leon's career to being similar to some half-assed wannabe bluesman with a weak voice and bad timing is what's moronic here,and the fact this is the third time you misrepresented what you said or were just flat wrong and your'e calling me a moron is pretty funny.

I re-posted some of our comments so they could be seen in their proper context,something you are having a hard time comprehending.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 9, 2013 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

Whatever man. Go bother somebody else now.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 9, 2013 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

It seems that you are bothering me,you posted on a thread I started calling me a moron and your'e bothered.I learned a long time ago you have nothing of value to say so I avoid posting on any thread I notice that you start,maybe you could adopt a similar philosophy,I will make sure to have no interaction with you.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 10, 2013 4:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen fans unite

Listen sweetheart - I'm done with the he said she said bullshit. I only wrote that to try and shut you up - which obviously didn't happen. I stand by what I wrote before:

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"Listen man, obviously no one has explained to you that if you do not have the basic grammar skills required to write properly, it invalidates any point you make. Every sentence you write is a run on and the punctuation is totally fucking wrong. How you can possibly expect to be taken seriously is beyond me, especially when the basic rules of grammar are obviously out of your reach.

If you are going to talk so much shit, at least have the common courtesy of learning basic sentence structure".
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I thought that statement made it clear. I have absolutely no respect for you, and nothing more need be said.

You are like a dumbed down version of Koch - An obtuse narcissist with zero self awareness. You will never understand what you can't comprehend. I learned that from Rob.

Go ahead and get the last word Dummy, I promise you I am done with your birdbrained idiocy.